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GloryFox · Mar 26, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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This weekend was very nice indeed. Another thing that would be nice would be to allow 7 heroes.

I agree,,

The major issue with FOW and UW is that there are real people "vocal minority" who actually want to quest in there and not farm. The entire weekend I could not find one group to quest with me. I personally like to explore and quest and was unable to do so because everyone else just wanted to farm it.

Most people who farm FOW and UW only do certain area's that leaves a lot to be explored and unseen. At least allow for henchmen and HERO’s at the same time.

ca_aok · Mar 26, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Ecto and shard prices will plummet or the drop rate will be ridiculously low, lower than now, causing the prices to skyrocket. Either way, it will not be good for the economy.

Ecto prices experienced a net gain over the weekend (They were 9K at the trader right befre (I checked), and then went up to a steady 9.5K for the rest of the weekend except for the 15K spike. As for shard price drops... it only went down about 500g and was soon hovering around 3K again. Those are both perfectly reasonable price ranges.

This weekend gave me a chance to FoW with some friends from europe for once, which was the nice part.

Dark-NighT · Mar 26, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

I verymuch agree on the idea of having free access when you have favor, and pay 1 K when you don't have favor.

I've been in UW before, back in the day those dying nightmares didn't popup so soon so i and my guildy could do 55/SS. this weekend i did a trappers team, got all the way upto the smites but damn trapping is boring, UW on itself is boring but ok the free access was really welcome. Shortly after that i just went FoW with an random team and we did really wel, got 3 shards in 15 minutes and did some quest, which after you could buy fow armor, that was a nice round.

I think that the UW and FoW could use a system like free when favor and 1k when not, cause it will encourage more people to go in, the droprate of ecto's and shards is good as it is, farmers don't care about the fee nor do they about the droprate, they go in anyway.

zara · Mar 26, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

I just liked being able to do UW/FoW from the International Districts. We were able to do UW as a guild while BSing on vent and having a good time. Now we won't be able to do it again.

tuna-fish_sushi · Mar 26, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

The weekend was great the only problem was the shard drop rate sucked. I cleared all the shadows 10 times and only got 5 shards (me + hero) but i guess my hero got all the shards ><

ll Minx ll · Mar 26, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

For once a chance to do it with guildies and friends from both US and EU servers so it was great.

So that favor controls access is in this case bad, as you can't play with friends worldwide.

I also agree that removing favor will take away the exotic "feel" of those areas.

For many players 1k is nothing, but for just as many, 1k is alot, if you stand around in temple at the american districts, you will see endless amounts of whining and insults towards europeans when they have favor. Yet when favor arrives or like now, free access, people whine about it.

There's PVP players, there's PvE players - those two will never go well, but as I said in an post in another thread. It is bad that PvE players should be dependant of PvP players, when the PvPers don't depend on PvE players in any way.

I'm fine with limited access to PvE areas, but then again, to be a bit more fair, let PvPers depend on PvE progress in some say.
I don't know HOW, but make it fair.

"My party went in and we got wiped after 2 seconds and I never went there gain" aint that to give up a BIT too easy?

This is best weekend ANet had so far in my opinion, because they removed the most controlled barrier for many many players.

widowdaballa · Mar 26, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by ll Minx ll

For once a chance to do it with guildies and friends from both US and EU servers so it was great.

So that favor controls access is in this case bad, as you can't play with friends worldwide.

I also agree that removing favor will take away the exotic "feel" of those areas.

For many players 1k is nothing, but for just as many, 1k is alot, if you stand around in temple at the american districts, you will see endless amounts of whining and insults towards europeans when they have favor. Yet when favor arrives or like now, free access, people whine about it.

There's PVP players, there's PvE players - those two will never go well, but as I said in an post in another thread. It is bad that PvE players should be dependant of PvP players, when the PvPers don't depend on PvE players in any way.

I'm fine with limited access to PvE areas, but then again, to be a bit more fair, let PvPers depend on PvE progress in some way.
I don't know HOW, but make it fair.

This is best weekend ANet had so far in my opinion, because they removed the most controlled barrier for many many players.

This whole post! is QFT! no sarcasm

Hopefully A-net realizes that this hardly affected the economy, and if it does, so what? Do you really think ectos should hover around the 10k+ range while shards hover around the 4k+ range? Then why not make every other "RARE" material jump to a more "reasonable" "rare" material value? Yes, ectos and shards are used for the FoW armor, but if UW and FoW had unlimited access like this weekend(let's say free access every weekend or every other weekend). It would hopefully not only stop ecto from going past the 10k mark, and actually drop it to a more reasonable 7k value just like the gems. Shards I really have no problem with, they are at about a reasonable rate when they are at 3k. Perhaps 2k to get a bit closer to their shard cousins(jadeite and amber), while still remaining the rarer of the 3. But that's just me, trying to make this economy a bit more bareable.

Sir Skullcrasher · Mar 26, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Making UW/FoW 24/7 access would not only ruin or unbalance the economy but cheapen the effect of these places. If we allow peoples to go to UW/FoW anytime they wish than there is no points of fighting for favor to gain control of these places. But I have to agree about changing the favor system since majority of time US or Europe would held favors while conuntries like Japan, Taiwan, China and other regions are left out in the dark.

Firebaall · Mar 26, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Skull,

There is no point now in fighting for favour. PvP people don't play in Halls to win favour for the PvE folks. Most of them flat out don't care about what happens in the PvE world.

Also, the argument of free access "ruining" the economy is skewed. Ecto's are rare drops that don't fall from the sky like rain. They'll still be hard to come by. Those that get them in any large quantity are farmers, that don't care about the access price or favour (the heavy farmers have an account on both Euro and American servers anyways).

Retribution X · Mar 26, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

How about Ecto and shards don't drop, and chests don't appear in FoW/UW if we don't have favor.

Doesn't effect the Economy, and is nice for those of us who just want to have fun in the UW.

Age · Mar 26, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Robin_Anadri

My feeling is that they should change it from favor to having completed Hell's Precipace, and be available whenever you want it provided you meet that critera, like DOA is for NF people.

That is differnet as Elona still has The Chantry of Secrets where the UW and FoW are in Elona.DoA is just an Elite area much like Surrow Furnace is and those in Cantha.I am still in favour of the favour system as it was intended and if you want it bad enough go fight for it.

Sir Skullcrasher · Mar 26, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

Skull,

There is no point now in fighting for favour. PvP people don't play in Halls to win favour for the PvE folks. Most of them flat out don't care about what happens in the PvE world.

Also, the argument of free access "ruining" the economy is skewed. Ecto's are rare drops that don't fall from the sky like rain. They'll still be hard to come by. Those that get them in any large quantity are farmers, that don't care about the access price or favour (the heavy farmers have an account on both Euro and American servers anyways).

I have to say you're right. Ectos and Shards is only good for fow armors and nothing else. It might be worth selling it if you got a stack of it but the drop-rate is so low that it's hard to get a stack.

Croco Clouds · Mar 26, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

How about Ecto and shards don't drop, and chests don't appear in FoW/UW if we don't have favor.

Doesn't effect the Economy, and is nice for those of us who just want to have fun in the UW.

Absolutely not, the whole purpose of FoW and UW are ecto+shards+chests

90% of the players travel to Fow/UW are farmers

Dark-NighT · Mar 26, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Croco Clouds

Absolutely not, the whole purpose of FoW and UW are ecto+shards+chests

90% of the players travel to Fow/UW are farmers

Got that right, and so Anet could do everyone a favor by introducing Free when you have favor and 1 K if don't, simple it will attract more people to fow/uw and with that Players might get some more ecto's but think of all the people that want FoW armor but can't afford it with the current system, now if everyone was able to go in, the economy won't be so much affected because people will start buying more armor, thus the price of ecto's and shards would stay with current value.

The only real problem with this is the farmers, Anet could nerf some other skills for this but a month later in the game and there's a new way to farm, so my thought on this would be to nerf the drops after you've been in the UW for x many times a day, much like what many expierenced with the Elona reach farm, after a couple of times, or hours the loot started to become less then normal.

Series · Mar 26, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

To people saying that we don't need it 24/7, I can guarantee you that you would think differently if you lived in Japan or Korea.

Yes, it might make ectos cheaper... but isn't that a good thing? Only the absurdly rich people use ectos as a form of currency... when the ecto market goes down, it's essentially taking thousands and thousands of gold away from them- deflation could be a good thing. Of course, most people probably wouldn't be effected too greatly anyway. Even those with ectos, as you probably have so much gold it doesn't matter.

So yeah. Allow 24/7 access please. Maybe make it cost a plat if you don't have favor. Who cares, really? "OMG I AM SO ANGRY THAT JAPANESE PEOPLE GET TO PLAY THIS AREA!" Does the Japanese playing a mission effect your life in any way? If it effects the economy, the economy is so broken anyway it surely wont make a difference in the long run.

Now all we need is Urgoz and the Deep open 24/7.

MMSDome · Mar 26, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame

How about if you have favor its free?
I mean if your area has favor the gods are pleased with you , and don't really req a offering, cause your area has already rewarded the gods with a nice victory.

that there is a good idea i think. I dont think elite areas such as fow and uw should be free for everyone, the element of having favor should still be involved or else you may see FoW armor losing its value greatly.

Retribution X · Mar 26, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Croco Clouds

Absolutely not, the whole purpose of FoW and UW are ecto+shards+chests

90% of the players travel to Fow/UW are farmers

Um, What about having fun with my guildies?

So what if 90% of FoW/UW players are farmers. my idea would allow people who don't give crap about farming a way to go have fun in FoW/UW with guildies. You can farm when you've got favor.

The Legg · Mar 26, 2007, 11:27 PM // 23:27

agree completely with the OP. Did so many fow clearances this weekend with the guild and it was a great source of exp. Dont mind so much about farming for ecto and shards, sure make it so no ecto/shards or chests when not having favour, or more expensive when not having favour or any other system that is put inplace, but let us go down to fow and uw whenever we want.

plz plz plz

Clone · Mar 26, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Series

Free with favor, 1k without. That's the best solution IMO.

I'd vote that or 2k without, 1k with. Anything to get rid of the bloody PvP ties once and for all. But, I have this sinking feeling that access to these places will end up like the promised alternate access to the warren and the deep...

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The major issue with FOW and UW is that there are real people "vocal minority" who actually want to quest in there and not farm. The entire weekend I could not find one group to quest with me. I personally like to explore and quest and was unable to do so because everyone else just wanted to farm it.

Most people who farm FOW and UW only do certain area's that leaves a lot to be explored and unseen. At least allow for henchmen and HERO’s at the same time.

I can also agree with this. These places are among a few I've never cleared. I'd like to, but trying to organize this is just a pain.

Lord-UWR · Mar 27, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

Some people (like myself) like to go and clear 100% of those areas quests included for fun. The loot is just a bonus, I find the quests fun and they give good xp, but since America barely has favor, I am not usually awake when we have favor, or I am not going to be up long enough to clear.

Well, I always go with guildies to clear, but usually PUG groups leave after it becomes to challenging or they get a few good loot.

Personally, the only reason to do UW is for ecto or other rare drops, since it is dead boring (55/SS FTW!!!). FoW is fun, and always more fun when clear.